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Thomas B. Marsh

Thomas B. Marsh
President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
April 25, 1835 (1835-04-25) – March 17, 1839 (1839-03-17)
End reason Excommunication for apostasy
Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
April 25, 1835 (1835-04-25) – March 17, 1839 (1839-03-17)
Called by Three Witnesses
End reason Excommunication for apostasy
Latter Day Saint Apostle
April 25, 1835 (1835-04-25) – March 17, 1839 (1839-03-17)
Called by Three Witnesses
Reason Initial organization of Quorum of the Twelve
End reason Excommunication for apostasy[1]
at end of term
No apostles immediately ordained[2]
Personal details
Born Thomas Baldwin Marsh
(1800-11-01)November 1, 1800[3]
Acton, Massachusetts
Died January 1866 (aged 65)
Ogden, Utah Territory
Resting place Ogden City Cemetery

Thomas Baldwin Marsh (November 1, 1800[3] – January 1866) was an early leader in the Latter Day Saint movement and an original member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He served as the first President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from 1835 to 1839. He was excommunicated from the church in 1839, and remained disaffected for almost 18 years. Marsh was rebaptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) in July 1857, but never again served in church leadership positions.


  • Early life 1
  • Conversion and baptism 2
  • Apostleship 3
  • 1838 split with Smith 4
  • Rebaptism in Utah 5
  • "Milk and strippings" story 6
  • Modern opinion in LDS Church 7
  • Notes 8
  • References 9
  • External links 10

Early life

Marsh was born in the town of Acton, Massachusetts, to James Marsh and Mary Law. He spent his early life farming in Westmoreland, New Hampshire.

As a young man, Marsh developed a pattern of traveling and working for various employers. Marsh ran away at age 14 to Chester, Vermont, and worked as a farmer for three months. Then he left for Albany, New York, working as a waiter for 18 months. He spent two years working at the New York City Hotel, then returned to Albany for a year, and then back at the New York hotel for two more years. He also spent 18 months working as a groom for Edward Griswold on Long Island, New York.

During the time Marsh was employed by Griswold, he was married to Elizabeth Godkin on his 21st birthday in 1820. After his marriage, he attempted unsuccessfully to run a grocery business for 18 months. He subsequently spent seven years working at a type foundry in Boston, Massachusetts.

During his work at the type foundry, Marsh became a member of the Methodist Church. However, Marsh became dissatisfied because he came to believe that Methodism did not correspond to the Bible. Marsh left the Methodist Church and joined a group of friends in what others called a Quietist sect.

Conversion and baptism

In 1829, Marsh unexpectedly left his home in Boston and journeyed west, traveling with Benjamin Hall, one of his friends from the Quietist sect. In his words, "I believed the Spirit of God dictated me to make a journey west." He stayed at Lima, New York in Livingston County for three months before returning home. On the way home, he stopped at Lyonstown, where a woman informed him of the golden plates that Joseph Smith had obtained. She directed him to Palmyra, New York, and told him to seek out Martin Harris for more information.

Marsh traveled to Palmyra and discovered Harris at a printing office, working on the printing of the Book of Mormon. Marsh was able to obtain the first sixteen pages of the book as a printer's proof. Marsh also met Oliver Cowdery at the printing office.

Returning to his home, Marsh showed the sixteen pages to his wife. They both were pleased and began to correspond with Cowdery and Smith. After the Church of Christ was formed on April 6, 1830, Marsh moved with his family to Palmyra to join them that September.

Shortly after his arrival, Marsh was baptized by David Whitmer in Cayuga Lake, and a few months later ordained an elder by Cowdery. From September 26 to September 28, 1830, Smith received Doctrine and Covenants section 31, a revelation directed at Marsh. In this section, he was told that he would be as "a physician to the church".

Marsh moved with the church to Kirtland, Ohio in the spring of 1831. He was ordained a high priest and received a call to proselytize in Missouri with Ezra Thayre.[4] Thayre delayed for a long time, and so Selah J. Griffin was appointed to take Thayre's place.[5]


Smith organized the first

After these activities with the Twelve Apostles, Marsh returned to Fishing River, Clay County, Missouri, in April 1836. Severe difficulties between Mormons and the larger community continued to plague the Latter Day Saints in Missouri. Marsh was chosen as a delegate from his community to try to resolve these issues. Despite the efforts of church members, their Missouri neighbors decided that the Saints must leave Clay County.

Marsh traveled to Latter Day Saint congregations in other states, including Tennessee and Kentucky, gathering loans at an interest of ten percent to help the Clay County Saints obtain new property. The diary of apostle Wilford Woodruff contains an account of part of that journey:

Aug. 20th - Elder [David] Patten preached at the house of Randolph Alexander, and after meeting baptized him and his wife. Brother T. B. Marsh arrived in Tennessee on his mission to collect means, and attend a Conference with the brethren laboring in Tennessee and Kentucky, which was held on Damon's Creek, Callaway County, Kentucky, Sept. 2nd 1836. T. B. Marsh presided. Seven Branches were represented containing 133 members. Sept. 19th. - Elders T. B. Marsh, D. W. Patten, E. H. Groves and Sister Patten left the Saints in Kentucky and Tennessee and started for Far West, Missouri, where they arrived in peace and safety.

In September 1836, Marsh returned to Missouri and joined the Latter Day Saints in their new location, a city called Far West in Caldwell County, Missouri. The town had been founded by the presidency of the Missouri Stake, consisting of David Whitmer, W. W. Phelps and John Whitmer. Meanwhile, in Kirtland, the financial situation of many of the Mormons unraveled with the failure of the Kirtland Safety Society bank. A dispute arose between the presidency in Missouri and the church's First Presidency in Kirtland over the land funds, with both sides accusing the other of financial improprieties.

Marsh sided with the church's Presidency and convened a series of church courts in the spring of 1838. He charged the Whitmers Phelps, and Oliver Cowdery of financial impropriety and other failings. The court released these men from their positions and disfellowshipped them. On April 6, 1838, Marsh was named as President of the Church in Missouri, with David W. Patten and Brigham Young as his assistants.

In April 1838, President of the Church Joseph Smith and his first counselor Sidney Rigdon moved to Far West, which became the new church headquarters.

1838 split with Smith

In Missouri, some of the Mormons, led by Sampson Avard, formed a society which came to be known as the "Danites." According to Marsh, these men swore oaths to "support the heads of the church in all things that they say or do, whether right or wrong".[6]

Although disfellowshipped, David and John Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, W.W. Phelps and other former leaders (who were known as the "dissenters") continued to live in the county. According to Reed Peck, two of these Danites, Jared Carter and Dimick B. Huntington, proposed at a meeting that the society should kill the dissenters. Marsh and fellow moderate, John Corrill, spoke vigorously against the motion.[7] On the following Sunday, however, Sidney Rigdon issued his "Salt Sermon" in which he likened the dissenters to salt that had lost its savor and was "good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men".[8] Within a week the dissenters had fled the county.

On October 18, a group of Mormons entered Daviess County and engaged in the looting and burning of non-Mormon settlements, including Gallatin. Marsh stated:

A company of about eighty of the Mormons, commanded by a man fictitiously named Captain Fearnot [David W. Patten], marched to Gallatin. They returned and said they had run off from Gallatin twenty or thirty men and had taken Gallatin, had taken one prisoner and another had joined the company. I afterwards learned from the Mormons that they had burned Gallatin, and that it was done by the aforesaid company that marched there. The Mormons informed me that they had hauled away all the goods from the store in Gallatin, and deposited them at the Bishop's storehouses at Adam-ondi-Ahmon.[6]

On October 19, 1838, the day after Gallatin was burned, Marsh and fellow apostle [6]

Marsh's testimony added to the panic in northwestern Missouri and contributed to subsequent events in the Mormon War.

Marsh was excommunicated, in absentia, from the church on March 17, 1839 in Quincy, Illinois.

Rebaptism in Utah

In 1857, Marsh was Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints serving in Utah, shortly before his death Marsh:

had been in the Josephite conference in Salt Lake City, and bore a strong testimony to the truth, and necessity of the reorganization; and when a revelation through young Joseph was read to him he said that it was the voice of God, and again testified that he knew it, and desired us to write to the young prophet to send for him back from here, that he had faith that he would bear the journey, and join the young prophet, if he could go that [last] spring.[10]

After Marsh moved to Utah and joined the LDS Church, he spoke of his split with Smith:

About this time I got a beam in my eye and thought I could discover a mote in Joseph's eye, though it was nothing but a beam in my eye; I was so completely darkened that I did not think on the Savior's injunction: "Thou hypocrite, why beholdest thou the mote which is in thy brother's eye, when a beam is in thine own eye; first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, then thou shalt see clearly to get the mote out of thy brother's eye".[11][12]

Marsh died in Ogden, Utah Territory in January 1866, apparently a pauper. He is buried at the Ogden Cemetery.

"Milk and strippings" story

On April 6, 1856,

Church of the Latter Day Saints
(Renamed Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 1838)
First  President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles 
April 26, 1835 – March 17, 1839
Succeeded by
Brigham Young
New creation Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
April 26, 1835 – March 17, 1839
Succeeded by
David W. Patten
  • "History of Thomas B. Marsh", Millennial Star 26 (1864):359-60, 375-76, 390-92, 406.
  • Grampa Bill's G.A. Pages: Thomas B. Marsh
  • Information on the events before his death
  • Thomas Baldwin Marsh: Find A Grave Memorial

External links


  1. ^ Marsh was rebaptized in 1857 but he was not reinstated to the apostleship.
  2. ^ The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles did not have twelve apostles again until April 8, 1841, when Willard Richards had been ordained and added to the Quorum to replace apostles who had been excommunicated or killed.
  3. ^ a b "Marsh, Thomas B.", Joseph Smith Papers,
  4. ^ Doctrine and Covenants 52:22.
  5. ^ Doctrine and Covenants 56:5.
  6. ^ a b c Document, p. 57.
  7. ^ Peck, p. 22-23.
  8. ^ Van Wagoner, p. 218.
  9. ^
  10. ^ True Latter Day Saints' Herald, vol. 9, p. 139.
  11. ^ Young & Marsh, p. 210.
  12. ^
  13. ^ Smith, p. 283–84.
  14. ^ a b See, e.g., Gordon B. Hinckley, "Small Acts Lead to Great Consequences", Ensign, May 1984.
  15. ^ "Lesson 24: 'Be Not Deceived, but Continue in Steadfastness'", Doctrine and Covenants and Church History: Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, (Salt Lake City, Utah: LDS Church, 1999) pp. 134–39.
  16. ^ William G. Hartley, "Every Member WAS a Missionary", Ensign, September 1978.
  17. ^ a b David A. Bednar, "And Nothing Shall Offend Them", Ensign, November 2006.


Despite his prominence in early church history, Marsh is infrequently mentioned in instructional classes, discourses on religion or sermons in the LDS Church. Marsh's conversion story is occasionally cited as an example of how powerful the Book of Mormon can be in convincing people of the truthfulness of the church.[16] When his apostasy is mentioned, he is often referred to either as an example of pride or as an example of one who failed to fulfill his calling to serve the church.[14] For example, in 2006, David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, repeated the "milk and strippings story".[17] He contrasted Marsh's faithlessness with the devotion of Brigham Young. Bednar states: "In many instances, choosing to be offended is a symptom of a much deeper and more serious spiritual malady. Thomas B. Marsh allowed himself to be acted upon, and the eventual results were apostasy and misery. Brigham Young was an agent who exercised his agency and acted in accordance with correct principles, and he became a mighty instrument in the hands of the Lord."[17]

Modern opinion in LDS Church

[15] as do official church publications.[14] has repeated the story,Gordon B. Hinckley LDS Church president [13]

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